"Liars And Thieves"

John Germain, a businessman from Jersey, was the first BCSE committee member to bale out (another four followed during the year - one returning).

Germain had something of a fall-out with the BCSE's de facto leadership (particularly IT consultant Ian Lowe but also management consultant Roger Stanyard and IT worker Michael Brass). One of the issues that later irritated him was that he donated some of his own money to the BCSE so that they could obtain a post office box. 10 months later, and after several follow-up messages from Germain during the period to express his frustration, still no PO Box existed, leading Germain to call the BCSE leaders "liars and thieves".

From the point of view of research into the BCSE, the various things documented below provide more evidence of:

• The BCSE's amateurish make-up
• The childishness of those involved - this is not a bona fide centre for science education, buy simply a group of Internet ranters.
• Their incompetence

The BCSE have a rather good track record in attempting to delete damning material, so the links below may not remain working for long:

• "liars and thieves" - Germain complaining that 10 months (at least, if I follow correctly - Germain had resigned from the BCSE by April 2007) after he had given the BCSE some money so that it could get a PO Box, still no PO Box existed and the BCSE still had the money - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation/message/110824
• "Mikey, Why don't you just admit that the BCSE has gone bad and the POB will never happen?" - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation/message/110855
• "Ian Lowe, the principal cause of my leaving" - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation/message/105037
• "Just remind me, when did I send you the money for that specific purpose?" - Germain complaining in September 2007 that the BCSE was still sitting on the money he had donated for a PO Box.
• "you're a load of self-serving tosspots." - Germain to the BCSE committee, April 2007. (Some parts of the evidence later removed by the BCSE):
  (Note that one forum member replying mistakes Germain, who was a BCSE committee member, for a creationist).
  http://community.bcseweb.org.uk/viewtopic.php?p=8513#8513
• It seems that Roger Stanyard and Michael Brass had begun refusing to talk to their fellow committee member - http://community.bcseweb.org.uk/viewtopic.php?p=8515#8515